I understand their lures have taken out most/many of the top end big barra comps in recent years. They deserve that as the effort is certainly put in at the factory. I've had some fair fish at Shady on their surface lure JAYWALKER, which is not a popper, but one that slides side to side. No doubt you know it. Still seems unfair that only single hooks are allowed at Shady Camp. Barra there can throw a lure just like anywhere else. When taking trebles off, I replaced them with large salt water flies. Got my first barra on fly, one I tied as I do, at Shady too.