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CornaCarpio's Carp Culling Capers!

Discussion in 'Freshwater Fishing' started by CornaCarpio, Jan 10, 2018.

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  1. Madfisher

    Madfisher Well-Known Member

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    Yes CC I have also seen a few pushing the 1m mark. One took my fly,but in my excitement I struck to hard breaking it off ggggrrrrr. Quite often they have also their tasters in attendance, which rush in and grab any morsel first, once u hook them it puts the big girl off. So your best bet is to find one off by itself feeding alone. Also I have found in large dams the very big carp prefer gravelly/shalely banks rather then the mud flats the vast herds prefer.
    I think they are hunting crays or shrimp in among the rocks.
     
  2. CornaCarpio

    CornaCarpio Well-Known Member

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    Bit of a change of pace from last outing (My arms are still sore from the last session :p). Headed up to a local pond, where despite the near perfect conditions, the Carp weren't very receptive to my offerings. I was literally walking home when I spotted a Carp in another section, and thought "OK, I'll give this one last crack before I leave". Unlike the previous hour or two spent on the watercourse, the Carp in this particular spot was very receptive to my bait - devouring it almost straight away. As I trudged off to take happy snaps, I heard the reel on my other rod zing. After not getting a bite all day, I suddenly had two in a minute! Ah, the vagaries of fishing...

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    The use of the right bait (or lure), correctly presented on an appropriate hook size and pattern, is probably the most important single factor on all forms of successful fishing: yet is the one most casually observed by the majority of aspiring anglers.

    Encyclopedia of Australian Fishing (1979), Bay Books Pty. Ltd.,157-167 Bayswater Rd, Rushcutters Bay, NSW vol 1, pp.7-8


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  3. CornaCarpio

    CornaCarpio Well-Known Member

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    Seem to be getting them 70cm or above with regular monotony now. Not sure whats changed since the past (when 70cm was my 'bogey' size) other than the fact that I've had a bit more luck. The only thing I can possibly put it down to is the 4000 size reel with slightly heavier line. In the past I almost always used a 2000 sized reel spooled with 6lb line, which was fine for 95% of the fish I hooked...not so good for the other 5%.

    It was a funny day. I just set off to kill a couple of hours, rather than with the specific purpose of catching a fairly decent Carp. I got the big one fairly early on, after moving spots. Nothing for a while after that, then the 3 small ones in fairly quick succession just before dark. The big one didn't fight particularly hard (had 50cm ones fight a lot harder), but it gave a fairly decent account of itself, pulling ample line to make it a suitable sport. It was a light and 'skinny' 70cm if that makes sense.

    I've had a bit of luck lately with just using a single split shot and a tiny fly hook as my rig, as opposed to my 'traditional' float set up. Maybe that explains my change in fortunes? I've also made a concerted effort to try 'new spots' within a spot, e.g. a 'new' section of the creek, rather than my tried and true haunts.

    What a season its turned out to be! Not so much is terms of the number of Carp I've caught, but it terms of their size! I'm on a bit of a purple patch at the moment, and even if I don't catch another Carp for the year, I'll still be happy! I only mentioned that because, as the summer draws to a close, so will my fishing. I tend to pack the rods away during the cooler months these days. When that will be exactly will depend on the weather.

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    Why people fish

    Amateur anglers today fish primarily for recreation. It is a sport, a means of relaxation, a change of pace from the hurly-burly of everyday life. It takes them outdoors to seashore, lake or stream; it is peaceful and revitalizing, and there is always the anticipated delight of hooking a fish, and the unfailing astonishment when this happens.

    Encyclopedia of Australian Fishing (1979)
    , Bay Books Pty. Ltd.,157-167 Bayswater Rd, Rushcutters Bay, NSW vol 1, p.6

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  4. CornaCarpio

    CornaCarpio Well-Known Member

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    Despite the ideal conditions today, I only landed 2, just before dark. The sun was out, it was quite warm - the fish should be biting - or so I thought, but it simply wasn't the case. The bread I was using was quite old and crusty, so I actually did a supermarket run mid-fish to get some corn. It was still pretty quiet when I got back, but eventually landed the two - both on corn, just before dark. Despite their relatively small size, they both fought hard and provided great sport!

    Would have liked to have got a few more, but any outing where I land something I regard as a success. Hopefully this warm weather sticks around for a while yet. With summer winding down, so to will by fishing efforts...

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    No other form of recreation has such universal appeal. People are rarely too young to enjoy the thrill of catching a fish: no one is ever too old. It is a pursuit for either sex, and can be equally agreeable in solitude or in the company of friends or family. No extravagant financial outlay is required before beginning. Initiation into the joys of fishing is for many boys and girls a Huckleberry Finn experience with a stick, some cotton, and a bent pin.

    Encyclopedia of Australian Fishing (1979), Bay Books Pty. Ltd.,157-167 Bayswater Rd, Rushcutters Bay, NSW vol 1, p.6


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  5. CornaCarpio

    CornaCarpio Well-Known Member

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    Headed down to the creek today for a change of pace, which is a bit different (and more challenging) than the 'still water' fishing I've been doing of late. The first spot I went to yielded 3 very timid nibbles for not much return.

    The second spot went to wasn't much better - Carp everywhere - but totally indifferent to my bread and corn offerings. As is often the case when I head down the creek, I often get a bite when I'm distracted - this time after 10 minutes or so of inactivity when I was 'exploring' a bit further on down the creek, when I noticed my rod shooting down the bank straight for the water. As is usually the case, the 55cm model (which is a fairly typical size from the creek) provided excellent sport, going on a huge run, stripping the line from the reel at a great rate of knots in just inches of water before eventually succumbing reluctantly to my butterfly net.

    What was interesting about this Carp was that it seemed to have some sort of deformity on one of its gills (see pic).

    Feeling satisfied at having at least one Carp for the afternoon in what was nearly a fishless outing, I packed up and headed home.

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    The enthralment of the child fishing for tiddlers with his makeshift rig lives on in the adult seeking the super fish with his expensive rod and reel. The transition from mini- to maxi- fish is just a matter of opportunity and cost: the enjoyment, the challenge and the communion with nature remain the same.

    Encyclopedia of Australian Fishing (1979), Bay Books Pty. Ltd.,157-167 Bayswater Rd, Rushcutters Bay, NSW vol 1, p.6


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    Deformity on its left gill

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    The 'reverse side' of the fish had no such deformity
     
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  6. CornaCarpio

    CornaCarpio Well-Known Member

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    Had one bite for the day (apart from a minute Redfin) and this was it - a 60cm bottom-dwelling Carp, which put up a great fight, as is typically the custom a Carp of this size.

    Taken on Corn. Was a bit lucky to get it I reckon, as I said, didn't have a bite before or since the hook-up, it just seemingly came out of the blue. Fishing in this particular location has been a bit like that lately. I should add that it was one bite more than I got yesterday.

    I fear as it starts to slowly cool down, so will the fish and my piscatorial activities.

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    As it happens, the largest bream on record in Australian waters was caught with a handline, and with a breadcrust for bait. So the enjoyment of fishing has no relation to income: it is for everyone.

    Encyclopedia of Australian Fishing (1979), Bay Books Pty. Ltd.,157-167 Bayswater Rd, Rushcutters Bay, NSW vol 1, p.6



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  7. blair

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    hi CC , I have had good fly fishing for carp in winter mate, at lake liddel so I presume they will still be on the bait in winter.
     
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  8. Madfisher

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    The winters are very mild up that way mate. I regret that I never got the chance to fish for carp in Liddell as its closed now. We often fish St Clair in late winter though for Bass.
    Cheers Pete
     
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  9. blair

    blair Well-Known Member

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    Have fished Sinclair on the way to liddel a couple of times, did u notice any carp while there? or other fish besides bass.

    cheers
     
  10. Madfisher

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    Heaps of catfish, and Goldens. Most of our Goldens caught on fly and a lone Silver perch. I have heard carp have got in there, hopefully the bass will keep them under some sort of control.
     
  11. blair

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    might go up there for a bit of polaroiding
     
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  12. CornaCarpio

    CornaCarpio Well-Known Member

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    This relatively warm-weather has got me out of my now traditional 'hibernation' mode during the football season. With the creek looking very turgid, I was forced to entertain other options. This press release certainly got my attention:

    https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/new-murray-cod-fishing-opportunities-at-karkarook-lake/

    Murray Cod in a suburban Lake, are you serious??? So I hopped on the 903 bus with rods in tow and headed south down Warrigal Rd to this well stocked impoundment that is Karkarook Lake. I was hedging my bets, I scoured my newly established compost heap for worms to target a native and the obligatory can of corn to catch that other species I am fond of catching, or maybe even a Trout.

    Despite the good conditions - sun out and very warm temps, it was really slow going. There were a few people fishing, but not many of them were catching fish. I think I saw 2 trout caught there for the whole time I was there (arrived around 1pm and left at 5pm). As is often the case when fishing, I was just thinking of going when I got a bite. As I was reeling it in, I highly suspected it to be a Rainbow Trout, just going on what other people had caught and the way it fought. When I landed it (a tenacious fight for a fish of its size), I discovered that it was...a fish...that I have no idea what it was! A Bass? Or maybe an Estuary Perch? (In a freshwater Lake?) Macquarie Perch maybe?. Despite the blood coming from its mouth, it was lightly hooked and swam off with great gusto to live and fight another day. As I showed the picture of the fish to fellow fisherman who had asked if I caught anything, their response to 'what is it?' seemed to vary between 'Estuary Perch' and 'Bass'. So I'm guessing it's one of those two species!!

    I've been fishing for a very long time, and to catch I fish I have no idea what it was is un-freaking-believable! And to do it in freshwater is more amazing still. Fair to say I left the lake on a bit of a high and also feeling very relieved I at least caught something. I think first impressions count when fishing a new area. Often 'dough-nutting' on a first trip will put the breaks on any subsequent trips. Also, Having cut my teeth fishing in Western Victoria (mainly on Reddies and Carp), having a lake in suburban Melbourne stocked with Cod, Yellowbelly, Trout and Bass/Estuary Perch is pretty amazing as well. Metropolitan Melbourne, as a fishing destination, from sea to estuary to fresh is vastly underrated IMO. The opportunities are almost endless.

    So, does anyone know what it actually is?

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  13. Rod Bender

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    I have seen neither bass or perch in the flesh but I would go with perch. Best thing to do is google stockings of fish in the lake and I think you will find perch have been stocked....not bass.
    Cheers
    Team Bender
     
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  14. CornaCarpio

    CornaCarpio Well-Known Member

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    Spot on Bender, after a rudimentary Google search, I found out the lake has been stocked with EP's, quite a few of them too:

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    So I guess the term 'estuary' is a bit of a misnomer?
     
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    Normally they would be found in estuaries. I am not sure but I think then they can handle freshwater at times and may need saltwater to breed. Reality is, in normal conditions they won't appear in impoundments and I doubt if they could spawn in there. Another reality is you now have another target species of which you can research and target!
    Cheers
    Team Bender
    Not afraid of the cold!
     
  16. creekboy

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    Hi, CC . Good effort anyway. Cheers, Lyall.
     
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  17. CornaCarpio

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    After feeling really guilty yesterday for doing nothing but watching the entire first season of Dirty John on Netflix (despite having a headache for most of the day and feeling generally 'flat' - and having to work overnight), I decided today had to be more productive - and it was. I unblocked the sink in the bathroom after consulting the Google machine, and I did some grocery shopping after that, so I was already off to a 'flyer' (relatively speaking). While I was in Safeway, I decided to buy a loaf of bread, just in case, you know, I might actually want to go fishing. It was actually a good day - sufficiently warm for this time of the year, but a late shower and/or thunderstorm looking likely according to both the sky and the forecast. Should I go, or shouldn't I? I thought to myself. Should I go back to Karkarook Lake? By the time I get the bus there, I probably won't have too much daylight left, so my choice was made fore me - the creek it is! Despite the warmish conditions, I wasn't too confident of catching a fish, I can't remember catching a carp down at the creek this late in the year before and the water was looking very turgid. I gave myself about a 40% chance of catching something on the bike ride there.

    I was off to a slow start, not much action for a while, but then I stalked the banks, and noticed a couple of carp swimming around right on the margins, including one very healthy mirror carp, probably in the 8-10lb range - which is always a good sign. I failed to lure the carp/s to my bait/their demise, so I returned to one particular spot not too far away for some 'sit-down' fishing. It was rather slow-going, and just as I was contemplating leaving, and trying a different spot, I got a tentative bite. I reeled my line in, no bait, but at least I had a bite, my enthusiasm was at least aroused. Not long after, another bite but this time the hook stuck! I was on. I don't need to tell anyone how much I love catching Carp - the fight that ensued was absolutely magnificent. Plenty of long runs, plenty of drag pulled and the always imminent danger that my line could snap at any second. At one stage the line was actually snagged on a submerged branch, so I traversed the creek to un-snag the line. Luckily, he didn't get off while I did this, and I actually ended up landing him on the opposite side of the creek from where I originally cast - he just did not want to come in! I was pleasantly (but not unexpectedly) surprised to learn he measured in at 69.99cm!

    Having well and truly spooked all the fish away from that particular spot, I tried another well-known spot on my way home. I didn't have to wait long before a) I got a bite and b) I landed another carp to the tune of 64cm. While not as dogged as the first fish, it still put up an excellent fight.

    What a day, I wasn't really expecting to catch much, but walked away with 2 rippers! I usually 'hibernate' during the footy season, but it's already round 5 and I'm still catching fish! Can I keep going? Or will the depths of winter be too much for me and the carp to endure? Fishing in any month without an 'r' in it seems daunting...

    CornChips
    Cooling down...

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    Second fish of the day - a healthy 64cm
     

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  18. Rod Bender

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    Don't give up over the cooler months CC. Pick your days...even if it is only once every couple weeks. You will still catch carp but you just have to work a bit harder.
    Cheers
    Team Bender
    Catches carp 24/7.
     
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  19. blair

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    you will probably catch larger ones in cooler water as well.

    keep on carpin
     
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  20. Madfisher

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    Two essentials in winter, a very high bar, and a warmer then usual over night temp, with a higher then average day timev temp. I am surprised to see the yanks catching carp with snow on the banks, by comparison our
    winter temps are pretty mild.
    Cheers Pete
     

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