I managed to get three pics posted with some info from Kev. Will repost them as they were probably not in a good topic. This a 95 taken on a little 65mm Squidgy wriggler in our lake. She went back in of course. Using 4lb braid and 6lb leader, which usually start close to 3m. When they get to 1.5m I usually discard. This certainly applies at present as the water is crystal clear after no rain for many weeks. Stealth is the answer. Having trouble getting them in here. Will post this and see if they go into the next one.